yeah i i have friends in the historical jesus world let's say at other academics other scholars i would consider myself on the fringe of that because in the historic what in what is called historical jesus work over the last 20 years and i've been i was around for all of that the historical jesus work starts with a certain view each scholar has to start with a certain view of how they render who jesus is so the first thing you would do in historical jesus work is determine what did he say what didn't he say and different theories evolve around that like um you know one theory is the more he said it the more likely it is to be accurate the more times it's attested the more likely it is to be act well that's not necessarily have any basics in logic that's just a presumption okay it might be true might not be true others go in different directions like they'll start with jesus was influenced by cynic philosophers and so anything that doesn't fit with that model gets thrown out or jesus is the jesus in what's called q which i won't explain right now and if it doesn't fit there does it well i take sort of the opposite point of view which is i like a lot of the archaeological work i work with that with the ethnology of the ancient middle east i work with that but i tend to go the other direction because i'm interested in what the spiritual practices and the spirituality of jesus so i tend to say if or when jesus said anything he said in aramaic that's my first presumption and so let's look at the aramaic version and see if if i identify if he fits with middle eastern wisdom and if it fits with everything else he's saying looked at from an aramaic point of view and you know 95 percent of of everything in the gospel looked at in that in the gospels looked at from that point of view does fit together but not if you translate it from the greek not if you translate it with plato in your back pocket which is what most people in the sbl satisfy biblical literature which i'm also a member of are doing they're translating it from a point of view an epistemology if you want to use a big word a way of knowing that jesus and his followers never had could never have had that's even historical people not not you know so i i part company with them but i also am you know arm-in-arm with them in certain areas